(pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? And I really, really If there was any chance of me getting away, he wasnt getting away with it. And, getting to that point, "it's so powerful," she says. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. There, he held her captive and proceeded to rape and torture her. If his social life hadnt been bad enough, he never could find much solace at home, either. You know, like mine is. And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. "You could hear him screaming at his lawyers," Rothschild said. The woman, who was believed to in her late teens was found on April 25, 1984, near Horseshoe Lake. Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Cindy coughs.) CINDY: Um I think it was around six. Im just following my gut, and if its speaking to me, then Im doing it. Hansen owned a bakery in a downtown mini mall and lived across town with his wife and children, who knew nothing of his double life. And hes short. Just his whole work ethic I found fascinating, so I jumped at the opportunity to be able to do something with him. Darla had truly believed that if she stuck it out, she could eventually talk Robert into going to church with her more often she thought that she could save the soul of the man shed vowed before God to love, and her marriage would be fixed as well. Robert Hansens first encounter with Cindy Paulson seemed inauspicious. CINDY: Uh huh We just want her to be identified.'. Hansen was the subject of a 2013 film titled, 'The Frozen Ground,' which starred Nicolas Cage as an Alaskan State Trooper investigating the slayings, with actor John Cusack portraying Hansen. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. The identity of one of his victims, who was found near Horseshoe lake north of Anchorage has never been established and now her remains are being exhumed. FLOTHE: Describe this man to me. Still, he couldve taken a life before he was busted, who knows? Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. The killer received a 461-year sentence in February 1984, pleading guilty to four of the murders. Hudgens: That was great. I just wanted a chance to work with Robert Rodriguez. (inaudible) People either loved it or they hated it. Once inside, Hansen pulled a gun on her and placed her in handcuffs. CINDY: Nope. She had been engaging in sex work. Hudgens: I wanted her to be a normal teenage girl. FLOTHE: So he takes you to the house. ): And we pulled over to the side, by the side of the house, and I proceeded to give him a blowjob. He used it to stab her in the back, he said. To the left is the basement. They searched his plane, home and car and found he had some items, including jewelry, that had belonged to the women. FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. Brown and Caldwells former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. CINDY: On Fourth and Denali. My left wrist, right there I guess Im superstitious, so I dont like talking about things until they happen, but there are a few things in the works. Okay, she was standing there and I was driving down the street and she waved a little bit and so forth and I pulled up there and talked with her. No comments have so far been submitted. As soon as he was of age Robert joined the Army reserves and moved to another town where he found himself a wife, but he was still treated badly. If youre very sensitive to that sort of thing (I know that much of my audience is ) then you may wish to skip this one. View the profiles of professionals named "Cindy Paulson" on LinkedIn. The avid hunter would strip his victim naked (often in subzero temperatures) and simply set her free. Or was it some other color? Do not sell or share my personal information. FLOTHE: He had an automatic garage door opener? FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? FLOTHE: What was he driving then, Sunday night? And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. FLOTHE: Make sure you look through the whole book before you decide. I wanted everyone to see that were all the same. And that he had to work and he couldnt do it then. CINDY: No. This link contains non-graphic crime scene photos from Robert Hansen, it is mostly of the grave sites. We must find our commonalities through sharing our experiences, spreading awareness, and caring for one another. CINDY: About ten minutes. We all have the same needs. When Hansen drove up to Paulson and propositioned her, she agreed to get into his car. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. I just want to do everything. Darla eventually obtained a teaching job in Russia, and as far as I can tell she remains there today: the kids made lives for themselves somewhere in the American Midwest. The woman tried to escape and he pulled out a gun, he said. Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). Does he tell you anything at that point, once hes got the handcuffs on Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. *Though its not super graphic or bloody, this article does contain a couple of images of the killer posing with hunted game animals. (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. I said, no, we can go to my place. He said, no, he didnt want to. But aside from that, he just let me play and take it wherever I wanted. My wife and family were down in Arkansas visiting her folks places and, um, I had met her the first time up town. I was just I was hysterical and shocked, didnt know what to do, he was chasing after me with a gun. How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? In the 1960s he moved to Anchorage and opened a bakery of his own in a strip mall at Ninth Avenue and Ingra Street. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! Hansens Weapon Cache (courtesy Alaska State Troopers; found in the attic of Hansens residence; note the handgun at center left), Your email address will not be published. FLOTHE: What was your phone number at that time? CINDY: Um, he had me chained around my neck for a time. Hansen died around 1:30 a.m. at Alaska Regional Hospital, said Sherrie Daigle, deputy director of administrative services for the Department of Corrections. He was afraid of running into friends, relatives or acquaintances of people who knew his many victims. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. This is a very intense film. What did you learn about yourself in the process of making this film? When his wife, Darla Marie Henrichsen Hensen, and their children were home (they visited family in Arkansas quite often) its believed that Robert would simply skip taking his victim home altogether. And if Im not mistaken I think he got green or blue eyes. What did you learn from them? After hed heard what Cindy had to say, Glenn knew a few things to be true. He was messin with my neck and I was kinda trippin. Same with the two sexual assaults; I have an arrest date of December 1971, but as for the date of the crimes or whether he was arrested for both at the same time (which I assume to be the case) is unclear. CINDY: Same. It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. FLOTHE: So if youre unsure about something (Cindy coughs) just tell me, all right? Cause at the time, I was very new to Alaska and I dont never go to anybodys house. Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. Sadly in a roundabout way Robert brought upon his own two children the same thing which had traumatized him, his kids were bullied mercilessly for their fathers evil acts. FLOTHE: And contact Cindy at this phone number and this room number Over the last 30 years, Cindy has facilitated more than 100 successful workshops/work sessions, including a dozen all-day . CINDY: And then up here to where I was starting to get it off. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. So, that was nice. FLOTHE: And about what time was that? But then also, it was not personal enough that it would come home with me and affect my sleeping. Did you know the street name? Im sorry I dont remember the right dates and so forth. Hansen landed in a federal prison in Pennsylvania but didn't get along with other inmates.He served time in Minnesota before returning to Alaska in May 1988, corrections officials said at the time. FLOTHE: And he contacts you at where? For the life of me, i cant see any reason why the state of Alaska, or anyone would keep robert Hansen alive after his conviction Why would you keep a monster like this alive and have the peoples tax money feed such an animal for years.. Cant wrap my head around it.. Alaska does not have the death penalty and has never had it (since Statehood). The only thing which he ever seemed to truly succeed in, the one thing which others commended him for, were his exceptional hunting skills. Your email address will not be published. Time is 8:15. FLOTHE: Six in the evening? 2022 Anchorage Daily News. FLOTHE: Where were you going to meet him at Saturday? Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. Episode 7: The Frozen Ground. Hansen said she had a knife in her purse. That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. (pause) He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. FLOTHE: Did you give him the room number too? Was it important for you to give the victims a voice in this film? As part of his plea deal, Hansen agreed to help authorities find the graves of the murdered women. There were horns. Together they entertained colleagues at their home. So you go into the garage, what happens then, when you get into the garage? For a man who had been a social outcast all of his life, it shouldve been an incredible feeling to finally be accepted; in his new town he opened his very own successful bakery with money obtained through an insurance scam, he and his new wife had a couple of kids, and Robert became a well respected member of society. And then up here on my hand, right in the middle. CINDY: About eleven, eleven-thirty. How did talking to the real Cindy Paulson inform that process? Hansen didn't see his victims as human, the attorney said. Glenn took what the FBI had said along with Cindys account of what Robert had done to her, and he obtained a search warrant for his suspects dwelling. So the next day, which was Sunday (sniffles), I was on Fourth and Denali and this gentleman had been by and pulled in the parking lot and offered me, and I got in the car voluntarily, I was talking with this man and he offered me $200 for a blowjob in the car. CINDY: I could say the time but it may not be the correct one. And he had a green shirt or else it was plaid. FLOTHE: When you drove up to the house did you see any other cars there at the time? CINDY: Tons Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. I play Cereza which means Cherry in Spanish which says a lot about the character. As an act of retribution against the people who he felt had tortured him, Robert talked a young bakery employee into helping him blow up a local school bus barn. FLOTHE: What did the gun look like? He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. (Sound of pages turning. FLOTHE: An older car. In the film inspired by true events, Hudgens character forms an unlikely partnership with Alaska State Trooper, Sgt. FLOTHE: Number five. CINDY: Number five. FLOTHE: Was there anything else unusual about the house? And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. FLOTHE: OK. Hudgens: It was definitely the rape scene because we recreated that room to a T. I mean, everything that I was seeing, the emotions that I was feeling, were the exact same things that these young victims had gone through as well, and it was crazy living that, even though its make believe. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. CINDY: Yeah. A one-stop-shop for all things video games. FLOTHE: In your face? "We nabbed him before he could do any damage to anyone.". He had been placed in medical segregation in Anchorage, which is akin to being in the hospital, Daigle said at the time. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? CINDY: Yep. CINDY: Sunday. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group. Roberts first kill is either believed to have occurred in 1971, 1972, or 1973. FLOTHE: OK. Was it a blue color? In order to keep their witness close, the state trooper and his wife befriended the young survivor, then Glenn reached out to the FBI. CINDY: I talked to him and made an appointment to meet him and I didnt show up. Glenn Flothe, AST. As you know, the only electronic I open is a crappy android. CINDY: I dont think so. And it may not even be in there. In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. She was a prostitute who was kidnapped and raped before managing to escape, but when she went to the police, Hansen evaded arrest because the lead investigator didn't . Daigle, the corrections official, said that as far as she knows Hansen never saw the film. Glenn Flothe, AST. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Lemon Creek Superintendent Dan Carothers called it "the bust of the decade" for Alaska prison officials. Is this part of a deliberate strategy to develop further as an actress and put the High School 3 image behind? FLOTHE: Uh huh. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.
