4. But, because they get less than 12" of penetration in ballistic gel, they are not tested. I have played many scenarios in my head and I always conclude that the proximity of an assailant in the street would be greater than the proximity in a home. Muzzle velocity is simply a measure of the speed of the projectile the moment it leaves the barrel. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. shoot it with a hot 45acp and it will tear a huge ragged hole and dang near clothsline out the hanging rope. I started my handgun experience as a .40 cal guy. However, how about the hollow point bullets that's suppose to stop and explode once they enter the body.Is that a myth or not? Large naval guns will have high length-to-diameter ratios, ranging between 38:1 to 50:1. While I do agree with your statements about the improvements in ammo, I must disagree Haha. If youre shooting a hollow point at a soft target, the extra ~100 feet per second from a carbine will give you a slightly different wound channel than firing the same ammo from a shorter-barreled pistol. Partnered with Ofcr Perry Hutchison It would seem fitting to re-hash a couple of events Richard Harvey. In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him." You might be wondering which caliberis better for youthe 9mm or the .45 ACP. If you can place three (3) rounds in the black, the debate of 9mm vs 45 acp does not really mater. For CCW I'll carry it in winter, then my G43 in summer and an LCP2 .380 BUG in my pocket. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. As good a reason as any, I guess. 9mm &357 same caliber but 357 alot more propellant. Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. What exactly will 50 feet per second actually do for self defense reasons? This backs up what I am saying about mass accounting for more in terms of penegation as velocity builds energy more than mass. Another reason for the swap, one the author forgot to mention was that, for the most part, NATO armed forces had already moved to the 9mm. Yea! This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". Thanks! This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. BE SAFE!! Where I grew up an old timer who was still an incredibly good shot was asked which he would rather be holding in a gunfight. I went with the 45 Smith&Weston MP2 Shield that is good foe me. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. Case closed. Something to remember when shopping around for a 9mm. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. Mass is an important factor! I do just like the author says. The above writing concludes that my next pistol is .45ACP (already ordered Glock 41 MOS) and if I have to ever use it (and I hope not) - it will be one shot center body mass and wait if bad guy want to do something else. As a trauma room doctor pointed out in one article I was reading, bullets that leave the body are less effective than ones that stay in. Whichever caliber you shoot most accurately. Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm easier to use. At Self-Defense ranges for a pistol, 50 fps will provide no positives or negatives. Average muzzle velocity: 1132 fps Average muzzle energy: 327 fps. Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. He obviously said that the 9 will penetrate better then the .45 thats why the military adopted it and left the .45 in the past. Contrary to world-wide teaching, not one of us was born (or created) in the "image and likeness of God." I bet if a poll was done on best semi auto handguns glock would win by a landslide, H&K by far . RIFLE BALLISTICS. The rest of your post I am 100% onboard with! So, its a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if youre set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. Please inform. You WILL freeze and lose hearing and fine motor control. I am not sure if i would like to be hit by one 45 acp or 4 high velocity hollow point 22's ( honestly i can say neither but i do not disagree just throwing my 2 cents in it is all about shot control and placement. Now to the .45 issue: one patient was shot in the back of the leg with a .45 hydro shock round mid way up the leg which lodged in the back of the knee. Glocks are the best semi auto, there's no debate about it. or 44 Mag. A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. Less recoil , good penetration, good follow up for stopping a robber etc. Most clowns that shoot at you arent steady.Theyre nervous and excited.If you are calm,and you use that fraction of a second to find him in your sight ..one shot from a 45 will end the situation. Hah "settled". When I was taking a defensive hand gun course( took it multiple times ) at Front site all of my instructors had 45's. Good show all. If you're really intent on a firearmgo bigger. With that said I can control the amount of muzzle rise on my .45's much better than a 9mm. A .gov website belongs to an official government organization in the United States. Killing the BODY "in this world" is MORE than Sufficient. 1100 fps . BUT, I have read that bear attacks are usually a big surprise to both the hiker and the bear, who have both been startled by each other's company. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. What's the data source that claim is based on? "taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries" is a standard line because police and EMS cannot pronounce death. you make me laugh. I've done some research on the differences regarding handguns, but now I'm getting a little confused. Be armed and have the gun where you can access it (LOADED) quickly. Both produce muzzle energy levels in the 380 ft/lb to 425 ft/lb class. I pray that America will get to that stage. As far as the size, my Colt m1991A ( .45 ) is no bigger then my S &W MODEL 59 (9MM ). The .45 has proven itself, period. Great piece. Different bullets, however, will perform differently when it comes to loss of speed. Brandon has spent the majority of his life hunting in the woods in Georgia and Alabama. Even if you think size > capacity or more bullets is better, you have to admit having bigger bulletsand having more bullets on tap are both worthy considerations when choosing one gun over the other. Can you do that under stress? Im also not worried about cost when it comes to my defense, no compromise there either. Ill stick with my slower freight train that will knock a person flat down, even on a sloppy hit, lol. Either way, the 9mm and the .45 ACP both pack a strong enough punch to neutralize any threat. The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. Also buy a super bright flash light it will help you see and blind the intruder. .45 vs 9mm? It comes from the shooter. I'm citing experience, something you clearly lack. And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. In fact, going from a 17 inch barrel up to 18 inches, actually LOST velocity in all but two of the loads, although the decrease was negligible in those instances. Those who prefer lightweight 9mm projectiles enjoy lower recoil; If you select heavier bullets benefit from deeper penetration of the target. If I did, I would either aviod the area or take a rifle. How well you can control the weapon is a HUGE factor. Thanks, Eric! I live in less free country, I still can carry my pistol, but EU wants to limit my magazines (blah blah blah). So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . No, youre not . See you miss a HUGE point. That is simply bologne. As for the difference between 9 mm and 45 does not even compare thats why when you see police having to fire many shots to take down a criminal when 1 shot from a 45 will take him off his feet Slove those questions and the difficulty of caliber choice will be trivial. one of them went completely through the bear. Some has been published here and I am working on other barrel length projects. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. That said, the. If we had no guns, we would still be part of the UK (and I for one think the world would be worse off for it). It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm, And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carry, Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners, While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal, Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely. I own a few 9mm's and three 45's. The .45ACP is a superior defensive round, all else being equal. Login Register. Advancements in modern defensive ammo technology have helped the 9mm improve by leaps and bounds over the past 30 years. I carry a Glock 30 concealed . most dangerous game like cape buffalo are killed because a rifle with 6,000lbs + of energy at muzzle was used and that kind of energy shuts the nervous system down like flipping a lite switch. If I am going mowing in bear country, my 1911A1 and eight FMJS are with me in case God forbid a bear attack.s. (btw; I cast, coat and load 40, 41 & 45 Colt). gear. This is simply not true. And yes,if you arent skilled with a hand gun,dont carry until you are. To think you need 15+1 is just imo foolish. I don't think one is better than the other either. I had one patient shot 11 times with what looked like a .380 or 9mm, hard to tell on xray. Firing the 9mm at the range was fun, then I fired the .45had to peel the smile off of my face. My highest capacity 45 is my home defense weapon. .45 ACP and 10mm, both being slower heavier bullets than .357 SIG have greater penetration. Enjoy your retirement. Physics boss: 9mm has more penetration and energy. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you. A 124 grain plus P will not start dropping velocity until somewhere over 16 inches of barrel. I have them all. With handguns, its all about holes: how many, how big, how deep, and where hit. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. Real world outcomes of all special forces who only use 9mm? Hello. Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . Even if your bullet is only traveling an inch, it will lose velocity, as air drag is steadily wearing down momentum. Actually, the US & the West generally helped the Russians defeat Germany. He is an active competition shooter with 14 medals from Camp Perry. However, I have to admit youre way ahead of us with the second amendment! This first is 9mm Trajectory vs .40 S&W Trajectory and the second is the Muzzle Velocity differences between the different barrel lengths when shooting the same standard ammunition. Maoris beware. The downside of a Glock is that it is a Glock. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. Hmmm, always been a 1911 45cal chap,although 38cal is certainly better than 9mm which has been known to bounce off suspects believe it or not.Good article,interesting points! Whatever you repeat thousands of times will be available for use. Velocity and barrel length data for 9x19mm Parabellum, also known as 9mm Luger and so on. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. Very informative article! The Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok JHP had a total velocity average difference of only 54fps across barrel lengths and a total loss of 5.5%. But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! To summarize: I once was like you, but since having been here I have become educated (not brainwashed) and a happy gun owner, because: 1. Both in MY OPINION have similar kick to them. Have a great weekend, Colin. To determine whether or not they are +P or +P+ rated, Call your manufacturer or gunsmith. Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. The FNX 45T and a few others hold around 15 rounds. A 9mm rounds ballistics depend upon which of the three common bullet weights its equipped with: Bear in mind that these numbers vary by manufacturer. Sure you can fire a .45 as quick as a 9mm but it's gonna hurt your accuracy, doesn't matter how strong you are. If you don't currently write articles professionally, you should consider doing so. The Army, (of course), received them first. With the 14RD+1 extension handle mag that's my HP4573. One of the BAD things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is the DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS!! 332. . But the idea that the .45 will stop a man in his tracks no matter where you shoot him is preposterous. Well then YOU become the weapon. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! I love your Pro / Con's of each. For me personally 12 RD mags, and 15 RD mags that dont take away from the beauty of the gun. When I was young military carried 45acp most leo where I live carried 357. Thanks for the article, and for the mature comments. ANYONE who says in a civilian encounter they can end it in 3 shots is either a psychopath, a liar, or never been in a SHTF scenario. One ammo for all. Have a place to barricade yourself in, in mind beforehand and think about what you would do yourself if it happened to you. Momentum is more important than energy for potency. You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. American lend-lease foodstuffs accounted for over 10% of Britain's over-all food supply during the war. On these metrics, the rounds are generall equal. Currently i own no 45,s. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. It does not store any personal data. There are really two types of gun owners who really want to focus on muzzle velocity. TB. Point and shoot, only need to hit my target oncethen they're down. If you are going to use 5.56 x 45 make sure you get ammo that uses 69 to 77 grain soft or hollow points as they are far more effective than 62 or 55 grain full metal jacket. I LIKE them all. The cheaper sprays have less contents so don't spray as long. I used to carry 9mm and I switched to an XDS 3.3 chambered in 45 ACP. Bullet tech has come a long way for the .45 also.. ya ever seen the hole a .230 grain HST makes?..960 dia. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). If so, another one which should lead to enough blood pressure drop to lose consciousness. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. COOL STUFF : 25 ACP 32 ACP 327 Magnum 380 ACP 9mm Luger 357 Magnum 357 SIG 38 Special 38 Super 40 S&W 10mm Auto: 41 Magnum 44 Magnum 44 Special 45 ACP 45 GAP 45 Colt 454 Casull 460 Magnum 480 Ruger . I'm not knocking the 9mm as a protection weapon. Thanks. So, if you consider 10 rounds of 45ACP sufficient, then, definitely, the choice would be the Glock 30. Basically, I believe with smaller bores you need to make use of their speeds and get a temporary wound cavity that matters (to make up for its smaller permanent wound cavity). As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). Bullet drop tends to range from 10 to 12 at 100 yards. Here it is for those of us who have long since forgotten: KE = 0.5 m v2 where m = mass of object v = speed of object If he dont go down choot em again. Easier to conceal and handle. WIth that size gun/barrel you have lots of options. Yes Ive used other peoples experiences to enhance my knowledge. The reason is recoil and recovery. Because 99% of people will never fight off a coyote attack let alone see a wolf and if your wandering into areas with wolves carrying a 9mm your pretty stupid as those places also have bears who aren't going to be impressed with the latest plastic fantastic. I am beginning to practice with the 9 mm more. Practice both bullseye and tactical shooting skills. For resources, I recommend Rory Miller as he dedicated a chapter in his book to the freeze, Marc MacYoung how to avoid violence in general, and Tim Larkin. Because when you are confronted in your living room, at a distance of 10-15 feet, you have to drop him before he can fire or you are going to get hit. Everything is a compromise. Practicing at a public range is not ideal. Would I even ever use it? In that case consider a 10mm or .357 magnum (better get a .44 magnum) depending on how big the bears are. ========================= Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. I own, shoot and train with few firearms and calibres, including the Glock's 19, 26 and 30S. This article is biased toward 9mm anyway. I can shoot my Sig 17-round magazine all day and not feel my wallet getting lighter by the minute. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! Its a good compromise between the 9 and the 45. I say different tools for different tasks. I doubt that lady would have had time to reload. It just depends on what I am wearing and how much concealment I want. Takeaway? The matter of fact is that the three most commonly carried/used semi automatic calibers (9mm, .40 s&w, .45 acp) are all equally quite weak compared to shotgun and rifle rounds. like when they took away the man stopping .308 caliber M-14 and gave them a stinking .223 varmint round to fight a war with in Vietnam." The situation is now dissolved without any bystanders in the background getting injured. But I think 9 millimeter Luger is a better carbine round over .45 Auto. An average muzzle velocity of 9mm ammunition, that being the energy the bullet leaves the barrel with, is around 1,200 feet per second (commonly abbreviated as fps or ft/s). Anyone else think the same thing? I do like shooting the .45acp But a 1911 commander as much as I love it, is harder to fit in my pocket. It would be great if the test was run as a Designed Experiment (DOE), rather than just testing for on factor (muzzle velocity). The FBI report made it clear that the more consistent accuracy of 9mm in the hands of their less experienced shooters was a factor in their returning to 9mm as their standard handgun caliber. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. If a DOE, were there any significant interactions? The way Guns damage the human body is by adding energy to lead. If you THINK you can shoot accurately while adrenalized, then you're whistling past the graveyard. 45 will make a bigger hole, which can be a decisive factor in lethality. which should I use a 9 mm or a .45? All the rest, including +p loads, came in under that number. Get that one and the ammo that fits in it. The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. In the majority of the states, anything more than 2 rounds down range puts in in the pin for excessive force! 50%? The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. Across the spectrum, the .45 had no discernible or predictable muzzle velocity reading between barrel lengths with the shortest length often outpacing the longer ones. FBI dropped 0.40 not because 9mm comes even close to it just affirmative action that's all it is. .45. It kills everything else. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. But in my earlier days, my Gunny (who had that little blue ribbon with the white stars) held up a 1911 in front of we impressionable middies and said, "Gentlemen, this is the Colt .45 pistol, developed in 1911 by St. John Browning. At 75 yards (225 ft) you talking about the round arriving a mere .5 seconds faster. This is America, not the UK. I am purest. At the time of this writing, there are several good duty holsters for the 4 inch, but almost none for the 5. I like that you said that the 9mm pistol is ideal for open and concealed carry. Same old crap different day. 2. Recently I did a test. No matter how much you love than one 9mm you saved up for. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. Lots of bullets. Primer: Boxer. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. Maybe target practice? The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. But thats still a bit of a long shot for a sidearm in a firefight. Than the other either will get to that stage between 38:1 to 50:1 close to it just action. Gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm, not malicious intent (! An official government organization in muzzle velocity 9mm video, over-penetration isnt as big of a long shot for a 9mm average... 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