Amen. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? It is not a program is not a set of services. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Its How do we protect the entity and the entity as expressed through the person of Bill Hybels? Once you make that decision that youre willing to protect the entity or the person in charge of the entity to the detriment of members of the body or members of the staff, youve made some poor choices that are going to have consequences. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. They have to be theyre incredibly convincing. And I think it wasnt a problem, Mitch, because everybody always agreed with whatever the senior pastor wanted. And he committed sex acts with her. God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. I think it took courage. The thing that is so terrifying is that someone who has been a senior pastor in an organization like that is not beyond it. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray And sadly, I think they have still. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Yeah, that is super dangerous. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. I want to share that God used Petes sermon on not being isolated (Ecclesiastes) in our sons life. I was blown away. it is. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? It was the summer of 2000, and I was a college student on staff at Pine Cove Christian Camp. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. How did that all happen? Jill Right. I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. They made a lot of friends. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Hes a complex character. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? Yes, I would view it far differently today. Glad that Jesus is still our anchor! He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. Their board operated by unanimity as well. It is a collection of people. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. It was everything from Vonda Dyers situation of being asked to come up to Bills room and talk leadership and a forced kiss, you know, a grab around the waist. We bought the routine and its shocking. Tell us what you learned through you know, bringing this person to light, confronting him and dealing with the entire situation that we can learn from as a church. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. So Mitch, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. But I had limited contact with him. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. I havent seen a lot of true owning, true repenting, true confessing. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. That is not a matter of policy. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. JULIE ROYS 23:38, What I meant by that comment is that unanimity didnt create any problems for the board and senior pastor because everyone agreed with James MacDonald. Like so many of you, I love Pete. I think that he lost that. And I think there is a healthy fear. And I remember you saying once that you had gotten a manual, I think it was from the ECFA, and boy, we could talk about them. Thank you so much. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. I am thrilled to be here. Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. Yes, I totally agree. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. They had these Global Leadership Summits. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. It took a variety of forms. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. Thats a bad default state. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. And yet youre still in a megachurch, multi-site church. If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! How do spot a safe pastorand can. It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? Julie, it is great to be with you again. I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. I want to thank Pete too for advocating for women participating fully in leadership and for Libby modeling what it means to be a true helper (ezer kenegdo). Its a calling of God. Everything started to make sense. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. For that we are forever grateful. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. 1 talking about this. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. And these men are good actors. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Basically, theyre a rubber stamp., Julie, I have a different take on what happened at WCC. Thats what he was. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. Yep, thats rooted in pride. And where does whats legally expedient for our organization? We were talking a little bit about the elder board. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. ) So, Willows pride did not allow them to see any flaws in their leadership, especially their premier leader. Stuart and Jill Briscoe have always had a passion for teaching God's Word and speaking Truth into people's hearts and moving them toward God. Absolutely. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. So appreciate. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. I appreciate your feedback. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. The fact that, I dont know. Dear anonymous. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? And thats not what this is about. And this is one of the I think exciting things. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? etc. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. Happened so often, I quit altogether. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Why did so many look the other way for so long? Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray (See page 54 and following) Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. This is a person who is pushing a boundary because they want to do something bad. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. To view their entire showroom online. Do you understand what Im saying? Yeah, thats right. So many people are looking the other way. I know the owners Dan and Kurt Marquart personally, and I can say without reservation that they truly run their business with honesty, integrity and transparency. Hes one of the good guys. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. I do. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. Pete has offered to The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. So, Mitch, how is it that a lawyer from Texas ended up representing victims of sexual harassment at a mega church in Chicago? Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. Yeah. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Im Julie Roys. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. But youre right. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. Mitch has seen church governance from both the inside and the outside. 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